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Post by DCXMMXVI on Jun 18, 2020 20:48:59 GMT -8
As far as I can tell, there are currently two articles regarding the DCX's name, and whether or not it should be changed because of its "racist" connotation. Lady Antebellum officially changed their name to Lady A for the same reason. Antebellum means 'before the war,' and was widely used after the American civil war. So far, there doesn't seem to be any backlash or Twitter mob coming for them. Just an article by Variety and NME. The Variety article is an opinion piece, and the NME article pretty much focuses on the Variety article. What do you guys think? Will our beloved DCX no longer be the DCX? Judging by Natalie's Instagram, with all the BLM posts, if it leads to anger or backlash, I believe they will change it. Hopefully it gets passed by without notice. But with Lady Antebellum officially changing their name, I just don't know. Variety ArticleNME Article
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Post by dcxfanapm on Jun 19, 2020 0:16:56 GMT -8
I’ve been reading some of the twitter stuff and they are getting a lot of hate. But most of it isn’t from liberals. It’s from conservatives that think it’s funny that they’re getting “cancelled again”, calling them stupid or nasty names (like the “D Chicks”, “Dicksy Chicks”, etc. I haven’t seen many that are actually offended by it from the Black Lives Matter group. Not sure what they will decide to do, but I just don’t like all the hate they’re getting. They deserve to have a big comeback and this is such a mess. Hope it doesn’t have any effect on the album release or cause more backlash like before.
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Post by Kent67b on Jun 19, 2020 16:26:57 GMT -8
The conservatives still hate them because of their success as females. I don't think Martie, Emilie and Natalie are going to back off from who they are.
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Post by Bingo on Jun 19, 2020 18:02:42 GMT -8
The Variety article, which opened the debate, is by a New York based writer of African-American heritage, who has written on other topics connected with the issue of contemporary racism before.
Whatever the origins of the actual word Dixie, I think there can be little reasonable doubt that the well-known song of that name has both racist origins and later racist associations. It was sung in the nineteenth century "blackface" minstrel shows, often with heavy imitation of Black dialect and pronunciation, used for comic effect. Even the best known published lyrics contain references to "Old Missus", a term likely to have been used for a slave owner. It was used as an anthem by the Confederate side in the Civil War - leading to many later using it as nostalgia for that aspect of Southern history.
However, I don't believe there are any automatic grounds for arguing that anyone who uses the term today is in agreement with that attitude. What matters is surely the broader values they hold and express, and the sense in which they use the term.
For example, Ashley Monroe wrote and included a song called "Dixie" on one of her albums a few years ago, giving it a negative connotation. These are some of her lyrics:
"It was the mines that killed my daddy It was the law that killed my man It was the Bible belt that whipped me When I broke the Fifth Command Now, I don't hate the weather Now, I don't hate the land But if I had my way, I'd never see this place again
And when I cross that line, man I'll sing a brand new song Instead of sitting here by the railroad tracks whistlin' Dixie all day long Well, I'm so tired of paying, praying for my sins Lord, get me outta Dixie Land, in Jesus' name, amen."
So, I would argue, it's how you use the term that matters (but then, I'm not Black or American, so don't have the same experience or perspective as the Variety article's writer).
The Dixie Chicks have covered songs by Black artists (e.g on their third pre-Nashville album), and have worked with Black artists (e.g Dobie Gray, Keb' Mo', and more recently, Natalie's solo album). Their well-publicized general attitudes have been progressive and inclusive - few would seriously identify them with Southern Ultra-Conservatism or Civil War nostalgia.
Because their career is so closely tied up with their name - which they've kept through thick and thin, regardless of attacks and misunderstandings, I'm leaning towards thinking they won't change it. But I'll vote "not sure" in the poll, because the seriousness of the wider underlying issue can't easily be brushed aside.
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Post by erik on Jun 20, 2020 14:38:46 GMT -8
Since the trio derive their name from a 70s C&W/rock song by Little Feat (who, if memory serves me right [LOL], were all men) called "Dixie Chicken"...no, I wouldn't call it "racist". This is political correctness taken over the edge (IMHO).
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Post by oregonchickfan on Jun 25, 2020 8:04:45 GMT -8
Their Facebook & Instagram pages now say 'The Chicks', as does their website.
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Jun 25, 2020 10:15:01 GMT -8
Welp, that was quick...
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Post by erik on Jun 25, 2020 15:08:38 GMT -8
If it's their decision (as in, they were not "shamed" into doing it) to remove "Dixie" from their name, then I'm fine with it.
Now there's no doubt that minds will likely not be changed by the name change, at least not too many. Nor will a lot of attitudes, particularly among those on the Far Right. But as far as those on the Far Right go, well they know exactly what they can do.....
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Post by oregonchickfan on Jun 25, 2020 16:59:07 GMT -8
It says on their website, "we want to meet this moment." This indicates, to me at least, this was their decision.
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Jun 25, 2020 17:52:33 GMT -8
Could've been an attempt to avoid any potential backlash. That's what my gut is leaning towards. They are trying to appeal to a different audience than what they once had. They were not 'mindful' of their previous audience when their previous audience went ape shit over a bunch of nothingness. And good riddance to them. But why be 'mindful' to your new audience if they were to act the same way? Not saying they would, but we all know there are people out there that just want to be angry about everything. And unfortunately people like that can be the loudest and most noticable. It seems like the DCX thing to do would have been to keep the name and stand together no matter what happens or doesn't happen. But to all of the sudden change their name like it is just something simple and quick to do...I don't know. It put me in a funk. Yesterday they were the Dixie Chicks, and today they are just The Chicks. I'm still calling them the Dixie Chicks mostly. I hope it won't become taboo or frowned upon to do so. Especially on this board.
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Post by gdlsat on Jun 25, 2020 18:33:26 GMT -8
Whatever they do, say or sing about it's a lost/lost situation and I don't think they really care.
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Post by Bingo on Jun 26, 2020 5:37:08 GMT -8
Judging by some of the pressure I've seen Miranda getting just to come out and make a statement, I should think the Chicks would have been under quite a bit of pressure to change their high profile name. That kind of pressure usually comes from allies who think they have a right to expect your support because you've supported them in the past over other issues they identify with. However, it should always be the artist's choice. In this case, I should think it would have been a bit of both - "Dixie" comes today with some very troubling connotations for many - and the Chicks may have felt (rightly or wrongly) that the risk of splitting their fan base was now of little relevance, because that horse had bolted years ago.
I do, though, think that, for many, the name "Dixie Chicks" still comes with a substantial amount of positive nostalgia. As there appears to have been no official statement, it's possible that the name change is particularly associated with this video (where keeping the name might have provided an incongruously mixed message). If so both names might survive, depending on the context. After all, the shorter name "Chicks" has been used informally for many years - well before the "Incident"
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Post by erik on Jun 26, 2020 6:05:37 GMT -8
Quote by Bingo:
All true. And going beyond the actual name of the group's origins (the Little Feat song), to me it seems that the term "Dixie" should really be a term of endearment out of the love of the land itself, rather than the horrific (even to this day) history and connotations of the term, which, after all, were the product of an evil mindset in certain people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 22:38:34 GMT -8
I love the change! I was worried that they might let that old goat Robin Lynn Macy back into the group before the release of Gaslighter. Hopefully with “dixie” gone... that will close that door for good! Hopefully they will not be tempted into allowing robin macy back into the fold. I do NOT like her! I am optimistic that her fate is now sealed.
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Post by Kent67b on Jul 4, 2020 21:01:31 GMT -8
This is negative stuff. How can you possibly criticize a past member of the Dixie Chicks. I ask you again, how many times have you seen the Dixie Chicks in concert? This is a very simple question to answer. I don't in the least believe you are a fan of the Dixie Chicks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 21:48:28 GMT -8
I don’t think you are being very nice. You shouldn’t say hateful things!
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Post by Kent67b on Jul 7, 2020 2:27:10 GMT -8
Why do you refuse to answer my question?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 9:45:08 GMT -8
I don’t think you are being very nice. You shouldn’t say hateful things! Oh the irony... i think you should look up the definition of irony so you will know the correct way to use the word next time. Educate yourself quickly!
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Post by oregonchickfan on Jul 7, 2020 11:29:08 GMT -8
i think you should look up the definition of irony so you will know the correct way to use the word next time. Educate yourself quickly! So you cannot reply to Kent about a simple question, but you can reply to me on the use of word? Please take your negativity & trolling and do something constructive. There's lots of places that need volunteers; heck, repaint your house, do something positive with your time.
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Post by Kent67b on Jul 8, 2020 19:52:36 GMT -8
I guess she moved on. If she had been positive, she would have enjoyed this great message board.
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Post by oregonchickfan on Jul 8, 2020 20:27:56 GMT -8
I guess she moved on. If she had been positive, she would have enjoyed this great message board. She was banned, unfortunately she had rejoined with a new profile, which is now gone. Yay!
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Post by Kent67b on Jul 9, 2020 8:24:44 GMT -8
Was she a true troll? I've never understood why some people do this.
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Post by eaglemaster on Jul 9, 2020 23:39:52 GMT -8
Was she a true troll? I've never understood why some people do this. In most cases, it is a need to get attention, any attention. And it is a fact that they often get plenty of attention by many people who would probably never talk or respond to such a person otherwise.
Sad, and often true.
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Post by Bingo on Jul 10, 2020 17:21:04 GMT -8
True - but it was an unusual example, in the frequent targeting of someone who left the group more than 27 years ago, and has only operated on the Alternative roots music scene since. Whatever the reason, it would seem unlikely to be something most contemporary fans would be aware of.
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Post by erik on Jul 11, 2020 13:12:25 GMT -8
Quote by Bingo:
Though it does make one wonder what problem she had with Robin Lynn Macy ever having been part of the Chicks for their first six years of existence.....
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