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Post by erik on Nov 14, 2012 12:56:29 GMT -8
Then I ask you this: Did Clinton ever bash his fellow anti-Vietnam war protestors in the public square, like your dear beloved "Uncle Ted" has done with more than a little frequency against the anti-Iraq crowd? No.
Bottom line: I consider Ted Nugent's "patriotism" to be suspect at best, and absolute hypocrisy at its worst. Take that as you will, but I am standing by this hard and fast.
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Nov 14, 2012 14:51:07 GMT -8
im disgusted in your comment, slovog. to say i dont get to voice my opinion (or "bitch" as you put it) on politics if i dont vote is a contradiction to the american belief. telling me i should have wtote in ron paul's name (even though you and i know i would be wasting my time) just for the sake of voting is such a stupid thing to say. everyone knows it was down to obama and romney. ron paul was no longer a nominee because he dropped out around the same time gingrich dropped out of the race. roseanne barr had a better chance of being elected president seeing as how her name was actually on the ballot. the "vote for the lesser of two evils" thing didnt even work in this situation. like i said before, obama was moving us into a horrible direction and romney was going to bring his old school bigoted nonsense to the white house. if im not happy with voting for either of those guys and have such strong beliefs that they will cause nothing but harm, then common sense dictates i dont vote.
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Post by drizzletown on Nov 14, 2012 16:57:14 GMT -8
Nice to see all this 'tolerance' from the left. I should be tolerant of those who aren't tolerant? Take the upper road? Point taken. I still think she's a bitch & Nugent is a dumb ass.
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Post by slovog on Nov 15, 2012 8:27:38 GMT -8
im disgusted in your comment, slovog. to say i dont get to voice my opinion (or "bitch" as you put it) on politics if i dont vote is a contradiction to the american belief. telling me i should have wtote in ron paul's name (even though you and i know i would be wasting my time) just for the sake of voting is such a stupid thing to say. everyone knows it was down to obama and romney. ron paul was no longer a nominee because he dropped out around the same time gingrich dropped out of the race. roseanne barr had a better chance of being elected president seeing as how her name was actually on the ballot. the "vote for the lesser of two evils" thing didnt even work in this situation. like i said before, obama was moving us into a horrible direction and romney was going to bring his old school bigoted nonsense to the white house. if im not happy with voting for either of those guys and have such strong beliefs that they will cause nothing but harm, then common sense dictates i dont vote. Voting is a right that Americans sacrificed life and limb for a couple of centuries to protect. Amendments were made to the Constitution to allow those that previously couldn't vote that right. It's a privilege to have the right when so many before did not in this country and some countries are fighting tooth and nail to get. To be so cavalier about voting because you don't like your choices is your right I suppose. I haven't missed an election since I've become eligible. I poked and prodded my daughter to go vote when I knew she was going to vote the opposite of me. I guess I value the process more. Got my own brand of common sense I suppose. Whichever. Get ready to not vote next time either. A third party is not quite there yet.
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Post by slovog on Nov 15, 2012 8:50:16 GMT -8
Then I ask you this: Did Clinton ever bash his fellow anti-Vietnam war protestors in the public square, like your dear beloved "Uncle Ted" has done with more than a little frequency against the anti-Iraq crowd? No. Bottom line: I consider Ted Nugent's "patriotism" to be suspect at best, and absolute hypocrisy at its worst. Take that as you will, but I am standing by this hard and fast. First of all. I have never had any trouble separating what entertains me and my politics. Ted Nugent is an entertainer and that's the extent of what he provides to me. I don't obsess about his every thought or motive when he's espousing his beliefs. I typically have a belly laugh. I think following/stalking an entertainer is counterproductive at best and as you've pointed out hypocritical at most because they are on record much of the time. You are likely referencing a High Times magazine article from 1977 in which Nuge laughed about evading the draft, something which was commonly done in the day for whatever that's worth. Uncle Ted had 3 different levels of differment while eligible for the military. 1-Y which is a medical differment, a 2-S which is an education differment and a 4-F which is of which you speak. He had long unruly hair, didn't bath for a couple of weeks and some paper pusher DQ'd him. By all accounts, Brother Clinton got somebody to get him out. Suffice it to say neither one of them really wanted to fight for their country and both have since claimed to be patriots of some description. At any rate. I'm not going to spend an inordinate amount of time defending Ted Nugent or chastising him. He has marvelous way with words and he beats on pretty much the same drum. I guess he's earned that right or at least can captivate an audience. I never owned any of his music except the tribute to Fred Bear, the original American archer, which I bought supporting PBS of all things. Regardless, I'm not the sort to transpose my belief system towards some singer because I think their songs have a nice beat and are easy to dance to.
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Post by Ross on Nov 15, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -8
im disgusted in your comment, slovog. to say i dont get to voice my opinion (or "bitch" as you put it) on politics if i dont vote is a contradiction to the american belief. telling me i should have wtote in ron paul's name (even though you and i know i would be wasting my time) just for the sake of voting is such a stupid thing to say. everyone knows it was down to obama and romney. ron paul was no longer a nominee because he dropped out around the same time gingrich dropped out of the race. roseanne barr had a better chance of being elected president seeing as how her name was actually on the ballot. the "vote for the lesser of two evils" thing didnt even work in this situation. like i said before, obama was moving us into a horrible direction and romney was going to bring his old school bigoted nonsense to the white house. if im not happy with voting for either of those guys and have such strong beliefs that they will cause nothing but harm, then common sense dictates i dont vote. Voting is a right that Americans sacrificed life and limb for a couple of centuries to protect. Amendments were made to the Constitution to allow those that previously couldn't vote that right. It's a privilege to have the right when so many before did not in this country and some countries are fighting tooth and nail to get. To be so cavalier about voting because you don't like your choices is your right I suppose. I haven't missed an election since I've become eligible. I poked and prodded my daughter to go vote when I knew she was going to vote the opposite of me. I guess I value the process more. Got my own brand of common sense I suppose. Whichever. Get ready to not vote next time either. A third party is not quite there yet. spot on
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Post by Ross on Nov 15, 2012 12:01:29 GMT -8
Then I ask you this: Did Clinton ever bash his fellow anti-Vietnam war protestors in the public square, like your dear beloved "Uncle Ted" has done with more than a little frequency against the anti-Iraq crowd? No. Bottom line: I consider Ted Nugent's "patriotism" to be suspect at best, and absolute hypocrisy at its worst. Take that as you will, but I am standing by this hard and fast. i wouldn't waste time defending clinton he doesn't deserve it, as for nugent he stopped making good music a long time ago so he has found a way to keep an audience.
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Post by slovog on Nov 15, 2012 13:24:31 GMT -8
Then I ask you this: Did Clinton ever bash his fellow anti-Vietnam war protestors in the public square, like your dear beloved "Uncle Ted" has done with more than a little frequency against the anti-Iraq crowd? No. Bottom line: I consider Ted Nugent's "patriotism" to be suspect at best, and absolute hypocrisy at its worst. Take that as you will, but I am standing by this hard and fast. i wouldn't waste time defending clinton he doesn't deserve it, as for nugent he stopped making good music a long time ago so he has found a way to keep an audience. While I haven't researched the reliability of this information, it is reputed that Screamin' Ted has long worn ear protection while he played and refrains from alcohol or recreational drugs, which is surprising to many. Admittedly, I take him in small doses. That's what remote controls and radio dials are for.
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Nov 15, 2012 15:29:39 GMT -8
you clearly do not know me. yes, i am a true believer in lebertarian values. but back in '08 i was for mccain. and if you saw "taxi to the dark side" than you would have a good understanding of why he was the right choice to clean up the mess that the bush administration caused in the middle east. see? im not only going to wait until a third party candidate becomes an option. america chose to elect obama because he was black. i get it. if my race were considered a minority and hearing the half-ass hidden racist remarks in the conservative media then i could easily see myself voting based on ethnicity, too. unless of course the candidate was an outted monster. but obama has the all too important skill of manipulation. he is now an outted monster. romney truely hates me as an individual. he never met me, but he wouldnt have to to decide that he hates me. im gay. strike one. im against using the bible as a tool in politics. strike two. i am against starting a third war, this time in iran, within 10 years when this country cant even afford paper towels to clean up the mess of corrupt politicians. strike three. like i said, he hates me. and i asure you that the feelings are mutual. not voting is a form of freedom of speech.
just a little suprised to hear someone say "shut up and vote" on a site like this.
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Post by erik on Nov 16, 2012 8:02:04 GMT -8
@moderntomsawyer: With respect to your support of Ron Paul--he was practically the only GOP candidate who actually talked straight about things that principled conservatives and liberals could actually agree on for the most part, including our penchant for instigating wars based on lying on the part of both our political and military leadership, and the surveillance state we've been under since 9/11. In short, he was basically the only one of that whole bunch who I could conceivable support. When you talk about principles and common sense, I agree that Paul had it in spades. Unfortunately, maybe he had too much of those things...at least insofar as the current make-up of the GOP was concerned (IMHO).
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Post by slovog on Nov 16, 2012 14:32:37 GMT -8
you clearly do not know me. yes, i am a true believer in lebertarian values. but back in '08 i was for mccain. and if you saw "taxi to the dark side" than you would have a good understanding of why he was the right choice to clean up the mess that the bush administration caused in the middle east. see? im not only going to wait until a third party candidate becomes an option. america chose to elect obama because he was black. i get it. if my race were considered a minority and hearing the half-ass hidden racist remarks in the conservative media then i could easily see myself voting based on ethnicity, too. unless of course the candidate was an outted monster. but obama has the all too important skill of manipulation. he is now an outted monster. romney truely hates me as an individual. he never met me, but he wouldnt have to to decide that he hates me. im gay. strike one. im against using the bible as a tool in politics. strike two. i am against starting a third war, this time in iran, within 10 years when this country cant even afford paper towels to clean up the mess of corrupt politicians. strike three. like i said, he hates me. and i asure you that the feelings are mutual. not voting is a form of freedom of speech. just a little suprised to hear someone say "shut up and vote" on a site like this. You shouldn't be surprised that it's coming from me. ;D Straight, married, college educated white man with a couple dozen legally owned guns in my gun cabinet and 3 kids that I raised in a one marriage home. I'm as R as it gets except I don't care what goes on between consenting adults and don't know why anyone else does either. So long as it doesn't cost me anything. That's my Libertarian side. If Ron Paul could have pulled off any kind of share of the vote, I would have voted for him. Most fiscally conservative Republicans would. He didn't have it though. But you? Gosh! That was alot of Koolaid for one serving. I don't typically buy into too many conspiracy theories right off the bat. I'll have to chew on those a little.
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Post by Bingo on Nov 17, 2012 7:18:00 GMT -8
On the matter of non voting, there were elections in England & Wales for Police Commissioners. (These are new posts, for one individual in each area, to take over supervision of police forces, previously exercised by committees of local councilors) The policy is favoured by the Conservatives, but has little enthusiasm in other parties, and has been generally poorly explained in the press.
No one seems to have campaigned actively, sent out any communications, or held any meetings, in my semi-rural area. In many places voter turnout was under 10%. At one polling station in Wales, nobody turned up to vote all day.
Holding the vote on the same day as other, higher profile elections would certainly have boosted turnout - but would also have led to more people simply voting for their usual party. Holding it as a separate election seems to have cost nearly £100m - and has arguably led to results that are no more representative than leaving the job to local councilors.
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Post by Ross on Nov 17, 2012 16:03:21 GMT -8
On the matter of non voting, there were elections in England & Wales for Police Commissioners. (These are new posts, for one individual in each area, to take over supervision of police forces, previously exercised by committees of local councilors) The policy is favoured by the Conservatives, but has little enthusiasm in other parties, and has been generally poorly explained in the press. No one seems to have campaigned actively, sent out any communications, or held any meetings, in my semi-rural area. In many places voter turnout was under 10%. At one polling station in Wales, nobody turned up to vote all day. Holding the vote on the same day as other, higher profile elections would certainly have boosted turnout - but would also have led to more people simply voting for their usual party. Holding it as a separate election seems to have cost nearly £100m - and has arguably led to results that are no more representative than leaving the job to local councilors. it's a stupid idea but i'm one of the rare people that voted.
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Post by Ross on Nov 17, 2012 16:04:47 GMT -8
you clearly do not know me. yes, i am a true believer in lebertarian values. but back in '08 i was for mccain. and if you saw "taxi to the dark side" than you would have a good understanding of why he was the right choice to clean up the mess that the bush administration caused in the middle east. see? im not only going to wait until a third party candidate becomes an option. america chose to elect obama because he was black. i get it. if my race were considered a minority and hearing the half-ass hidden racist remarks in the conservative media then i could easily see myself voting based on ethnicity, too. unless of course the candidate was an outted monster. but obama has the all too important skill of manipulation. he is now an outted monster. romney truely hates me as an individual. he never met me, but he wouldnt have to to decide that he hates me. im gay. strike one. im against using the bible as a tool in politics. strike two. i am against starting a third war, this time in iran, within 10 years when this country cant even afford paper towels to clean up the mess of corrupt politicians. strike three. like i said, he hates me. and i asure you that the feelings are mutual. not voting is a form of freedom of speech. just a little suprised to hear someone say "shut up and vote" on a site like this. i don't see the connection between alex gibneys masterpiece and voting for mccain over obama.
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Post by Bingo on Jan 2, 2013 19:02:44 GMT -8
Willie Nelson's thoughts on Obama's re-election:
"He has been good for America and I knew him from when he was a young politician in Chicago. But when you get elected President I think the first thing they do is take you in a room and say you know you're not gonna do sh-t. Your hands are tied and Congress have the whole thing locked down and we all get screwed. But Obama will do better this time... I really do believe that you can't worry about yesterday or dwell on mistakes. There is a lot to worry about if you choose to. The doom-and-gloom people are out there....But I see reasons for optimism. It's like my song, It's Always Now. Look for the hope."
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Post by b@@b on Jan 6, 2013 13:32:32 GMT -8
Well, the only reason I voted for Obama again really is so he's the one in office when 'his' policies finally go into action. Easier for him to own up to whatever early consequences . Of course that's a horrible premise on which to vote a candidate. But what do you do when you find it too hard to choose?? Gotta pull for either of the only two possible winners, even if I truly liked someone else. God forbid I don't vote. Its such a "bad thing" if you don't, right? Didn't cost me much gas to get there.
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Post by Ross on Feb 17, 2016 7:33:55 GMT -8
Amazing process this time getting the candidates, last time around every clown was a front runner for the republicans for about a week until their support evaporated, this time Trump has sustained and may even get the nomination.
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Post by chicksfan on Feb 23, 2016 19:16:28 GMT -8
He may end up further than the just the nominee....
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Post by Ross on Feb 24, 2016 11:13:41 GMT -8
He may end up further than the just the nominee.... I still think Clinton will win even if she is going to have to rely on people that don't like her voting in here favour.
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Post by james on Feb 25, 2016 7:04:07 GMT -8
Its mental that ordinary folk can vote for Trump.
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Post by erik on Feb 25, 2016 16:11:20 GMT -8
Quote by James:
It is arguably also "mental" that ordinary folk could vote for a guy who played second banana to an orangutan in a film, but that in fact happened. Does the name Ronald Reagan ring any bells?
Folks, in America, anything can, and usually does happen. But may God help us if Donald Trump ever gets elected.
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Post by drizzletown on Mar 5, 2016 10:20:00 GMT -8
The orangutan was Eastwood. Reagan's was a chimp right? LOL
I can't even watch Trump. Up there calling his fellow running mates morons & idiots. And yet he can't take an ounce of criticism.
He's just absolutely horrid.
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Post by drizzletown on Mar 5, 2016 10:21:28 GMT -8
Certain GOP folks talking about assisting Clinton if Trump gets the nomination. LOL
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Post by ks4rs on Mar 5, 2016 14:51:07 GMT -8
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Post by erik on Mar 7, 2016 6:49:25 GMT -8
Just for the record, I will vote for Hillary if it comes down to a battle royale between her and Trump. But for the moment, Bernie Sanders speaks the strongest to me, and I will side with him.
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