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Post by erik on Nov 7, 2012 17:15:46 GMT -8
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And what would the Democrats have to lose? As I've said before, if the GOP thinks it can keep being an all-White, largely-male club, acting as if Latinos and blacks don't really matter, and still exist as a legitimate political party in the 21st century, they're in for an extremely rude surprise in the not-too-distant future.
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Post by drizzletown on Nov 7, 2012 17:20:51 GMT -8
i'm sure everything will be great for obama now romney is praying for him This might sound weird to some, but when he said that (a couple of times), he sounded like he was being condescending. Similar to saying "Obama's such a F**K up (or the devil himself) that he needs us all to pray for him".
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Post by Bingo on Nov 7, 2012 18:30:55 GMT -8
I didn't get that impression at all. This is a man who's been a Bishop and a Stake President in the LDS Church - faith is likely to have been a formative influence throughout his life. In that frame of reference, praying for people is not singling them out as failures or Devils - it's seen as something that could benefit everyone, self, friend, or stranger. It may not be the way others see it, but it's likely to be a natural way of speaking for him.
Also, if you look at his face through the video, his expression when talking about Obama is similar to his expression when talking about the people close to him - there doesn't appear to be a tone of sarcasm, insincerity or condescension.
Regardless, though, of how we interpret his tone - the most important part of the speech was the plea to rise above partisanship. It's that message that I'm not at all sure will be heeded by many, or will last long.
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Post by drizzletown on Nov 7, 2012 18:48:52 GMT -8
Looked like a weird smirk. Maybe it's the botox.
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Post by slovog on Nov 7, 2012 18:54:44 GMT -8
Media programming is all driz.
@ Eric, I think it's small minded and hypocritical to want equal rights on the one hand and then vote the same way you pick greyhounds at the track. Maybe it's just me. How many would go for a 5th grade civics test in order to get your voter registration card? Howard Stern ( of all people) did a bit about asking the electorate about the black running mate, Paul Ryan, that Obama had chosen this year. Appalled at the lack of even the basic knowledge that the electorate has in some areas. Wonder if landowners and those that actually pay taxes aren't the better litmus test.
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Post by Bingo on Nov 7, 2012 19:24:15 GMT -8
On the question of who should vote - Scotland is having a referendum soon on whether to leave the United Kingdom. I think they're planning to allow 16 year olds to vote (for the first time).
One argument is that it's the minimum legal age to marry (parental consent is not required under Scottish law) and the minimum legal age to opt out of school and pay taxes - though few do either that young nowadays. Also, the decision affects their future - and it's likely to be a once in a lifetime issue - since if the vote goes to separate, there's unlikely to be a second chance to reverse it, and if it goes in favour of staying in, they're likely to negotiate a redistribution of government powers and settle for that. Either way, it's probably a one off vote.
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Post by erik on Nov 7, 2012 19:48:34 GMT -8
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If you are talking about the Hispanic voting bloc, nearly 75% of whom voted Democratic at least in part because they felt the GOP was trying to silence them through voter intimidation, fear, and bigotry, then perhaps it is like picking greyhounds at the track in that way. But the basic fact remains: Hispanics and blacks are going to make up a greater percentage of the voting bloc in this country in the decades to come, and many of them are a hell of a lot smarter than I think many pundits give them credit for. If the Republican Party cannot find a way to disenthrall itself from their own bigotry and convince them that they can represent those groups better than the Democrats can, the Republican Party will keep losing elections; and states like Arizona and Texas that were once solidly in their column will turn on them. That is the bottom line.
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Post by slovog on Nov 8, 2012 9:16:45 GMT -8
Absolutely. You can add Georgia to that group by the next election and places like Orange County, FL where the non Cuban Hispanic voting blok has turned that county from red to blue.
I agree that there is alot of arrogance in the GOP that they can keep using the same tactics and win elections. It was much the same when the Democrats pushed the Liberal view when they could have won the votes in the middle with Kerry or Gore if they'd had a semblance of sense about them. Now, the most Liberal in the party are pissed that Obama isn't getting his agenda pushed through. On the other hand, you can't really blame the GOP for not wanting to rubber stamp and forgive illegal immigrants carte blanc U.S. citizenship and you have to wonder what the Democrats real motive is.
Google Howard Stern and the 2012 election if you can stomach Howard. It's amazing how stupid people with voting rights are in some cases. And he did it both ways.
Bingo. I'm a fan of the legal age for everything being 21. It's crazy that you can't buy beer in a pub until you're 21 but you can die for your country at 18. Voting, driving unrestricted, joining the military, etc. should have the same minimum age. Here's a good one. My 22 year old daughter told her mother after the fact that she didn't vote for Romney because she didn't want to have to pay for her own health insurance until she was 27. I wonder how she'll like paying her own cell bill, car insurance and vehicle maintenance from here on out? She's liking being on the parental dole. Maybe if we cut her off she can get gubmint subsidies. ;D
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Post by Ross on Nov 8, 2012 11:02:21 GMT -8
i'm sure everything will be great for obama now romney is praying for him This might sound weird to some, but when he said that (a couple of times), he sounded like he was being condescending. Similar to saying "Obama's such a F**K up (or the devil himself) that he needs us all to pray for him". seemed like that to me, but that might just be my bias.
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Post by james on Nov 9, 2012 0:53:38 GMT -8
On the question of who should vote - Scotland is having a referendum soon on whether to leave the United Kingdom. I think they're planning to allow 16 year olds to vote (for the first time). One argument is that it's the minimum legal age to marry (parental consent is not required under Scottish law) and the minimum legal age to opt out of school and pay taxes - though few do either that young nowadays. Also, the decision affects their future - and it's likely to be a once in a lifetime issue - since if the vote goes to separate, there's unlikely to be a second chance to reverse it, and if it goes in favour of staying in, they're likely to negotiate a redistribution of government powers and settle for that. Either way, it's probably a one off vote. I am one for the break up of the British empire and Scottish independence,but we would be swapping one corrupt boss to another,same robbing banks etc also this country is so bigoted i dont trust the SNP to act right. If it was an independent Socialist Scotland,then i would be all for it.
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Post by Bingo on Nov 9, 2012 6:02:11 GMT -8
I think they'd rely on the European Union to give them some of the larger scale benefits they currently derive from the UK - Germany and France largely drive the economic and financial policies of the EU, so independence for smaller countries is becoming more tenuous.
One problem with the UK is that England's population alone is five times larger than the combined totals of all the other three countries, making it unsuitable for a federation (unless England were split into regional states, which doesn't seem popular). However, Scotland does get more Parliamentary seats than its population warrants, and several Prime Ministers have been Scottish.
One interesting by-product of the present situation is that the Conservatives (Tories) do badly in Scotland, but are the dominant party in large parts of England (especially the rural and suburban areas). If Scotland left the UK, the Conservatives would be left with a big electoral advantage - making it harder for Labour to form a future UK government (That may explain why Cameron's not objecting to the independence referendum, Lol)
However, my guess would be that there won't be a majority for independence, and they'll work out some deal for a constitutional redistribution of powers.
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Post by Bingo on Nov 9, 2012 19:08:42 GMT -8
A selection of musicians who chose to post tweets after the election:
Billy Ray Cyrus "Congratulations Mr President ! Congratulations America ...the process worked ...and freedom rings."
Sheryl Crow "Am so happy Americans showed up and made their voices heard. Congratulations America! Gobama!"
Ted Nugent "Pimps ****s & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America"
Sara Evans "I am completely in shock right now! This SUCKS! Where is this country heading? We might as well prepare for a million trillion $ in debt!"
Steve Martin "To commemorate Obama's victory, I'm having a tea party."
Martina McBride: "I just hope,4 yrs from now,they find a way to campaign without spending roughly 5 BILLION $! That money could help a lot of kids.Just sayin."
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Post by erik on Nov 9, 2012 19:24:55 GMT -8
Quote from recited post-election tweets:
My response: F**K YOU, TED NUGENT!
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Post by james on Nov 10, 2012 2:06:47 GMT -8
A selection of musicians who chose to post tweets after the election: Billy Ray Cyrus "Congratulations Mr President ! Congratulations America ...the process worked ...and freedom rings."Sheryl Crow "Am so happy Americans showed up and made their voices heard. Congratulations America! Gobama!"Ted Nugent "Pimps ****s & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America"Sara Evans "I am completely in shock right now! This SUCKS! Where is this country heading? We might as well prepare for a million trillion $ in debt!"Steve Martin "To commemorate Obama's victory, I'm having a tea party."Martina McBride: "I just hope,4 yrs from now,they find a way to campaign without spending roughly 5 BILLION $! That money could help a lot of kids.Just sayin."Not surprised at the bigot Nugent,Sara i thought even although a rep,would have put out a more caring statement,looks like she only cares for rich folks like her,still love her.
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Post by james on Nov 10, 2012 2:10:21 GMT -8
I think they'd rely on the European Union to give them some of the larger scale benefits they currently derive from the UK - Germany and France largely drive the economic and financial policies of the EU, so independence for smaller countries is becoming more tenuous. One problem with the UK is that England's population alone is five times larger than the combined totals of all the other three countries, making it unsuitable for a federation (unless England were split into regional states, which doesn't seem popular). However, Scotland does get more Parliamentary seats than its population warrants, and several Prime Ministers have been Scottish. One interesting by-product of the present situation is that the Conservatives (Tories) do badly in Scotland, but are the dominant party in large parts of England (especially the rural and suburban areas). If Scotland left the UK, the Conservatives would be left with a big electoral advantage - making it harder for Labour to form a future UK government (That may explain why Cameron's not objecting to the independence referendum, Lol) However, my guess would be that there won't be a majority for independence, and they'll work out some deal for a constitutional redistribution of powers. Scottish parliement has given the English more of a push,you see more English flags now than you ever did,instead of England being Britain,which it is,its now England as its self,only thing i hate about nationlism is it brings the far right out to steal the whole thing in every country.
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Post by Bingo on Nov 10, 2012 6:45:49 GMT -8
Not surprised at the bigot Nugent,Sara i thought even although a rep,would have put out a more caring statement,looks like she only cares for rich folks like her,still love her. The tweets I quoted went really as expected. Sara has been an active Republican supporter, and was formerly married to a politician. Martina is more moderate, and her tweet was making a general point about election expenses. Billy Ray, who posted a triumphant picture of the results, got an answering tweet saying that he was an "insult to Country Music" (a comment he may be used to by now, on one ground or another), with the added advice that he and his daughter should leave the country! Chely Wright, a very frequent tweeter, was remarkably even handed in her comments - even remonstrating with some of her overwhelmingly Democratic supporters. Many Mainstream artists, though, have very divided fan bases, and this may be particularly true of the younger headline performers.
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Post by drizzletown on Nov 10, 2012 9:44:31 GMT -8
Sara Evans "I am completely in shock right now! This SUCKS! Where is this country heading? We might as well prepare for a million trillion $ in debt!"All freakin' conservatives who are bitching about Obama regarding the debt are complete & utter morons. Where do they think it really came from? Two wars funded almost completely off the books, maybe? And the lasting effects & finances of those wars that is still going on. Banking decisions made before he was in office. I just don't get it.
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Post by drizzletown on Nov 10, 2012 9:47:18 GMT -8
Quote by slovog: And what would the Democrats have to lose? As I've said before, if the GOP thinks it can keep being an all-White, largely-male club, acting as if Latinos and blacks don't really matter, and still exist as a legitimate political party in the 21st century, they're in for an extremely rude surprise in the not-too-distant future. Absolutely. WOMEN too!
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Post by Ross on Nov 11, 2012 5:46:17 GMT -8
Sara Evans "I am completely in shock right now! This SUCKS! Where is this country heading? We might as well prepare for a million trillion $ in debt!"All freakin' conservatives who are bitching about Obama regarding the debt are complete & utter morons. Where do they think it really came from? Two wars funded almost completely off the books, maybe? And the lasting effects & finances of those wars that is still going on. Banking decisions made before he was in office. I just don't get it. neither do they ;D
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Post by erik on Nov 13, 2012 12:40:05 GMT -8
I am really curious as to why Sara Evans didn't b**ch when Her Boy (Bush II) got us into two undeclared and financed-off-the-books wars. Or is she too not merely a hypcrite, but a bigot as well?!
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Post by slovog on Nov 13, 2012 14:54:35 GMT -8
Sara Evans "I am completely in shock right now! This SUCKS! Where is this country heading? We might as well prepare for a million trillion $ in debt!"All freakin' conservatives who are bitching about Obama regarding the debt are complete & utter morons. Where do they think it really came from? Two wars funded almost completely off the books, maybe? And the lasting effects & finances of those wars that is still going on. Banking decisions made before he was in office. I just don't get it. You don't remember GM and Chrysler getting bailed out? Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae? Those banking decisions were made during the Clinton terms. He had the dot.com's to help make it look good back in the day. This is not a one party crapper. They've all added their stink to it. Here's a pretty good article that gives historical accounts of the U.S. debt vs Gross Domestic Product since 1913. Alot of this............wasn't Bush's fault..... www.businessinsider.com/long-term-us-debt-and-taxation-trends-2012-11And while we're asking ourselves questions. Why the hell are we in Afghanistan still? Bin Laden's been dead for awhile. The meter doesn't have to keep ticking on that one you know and we're 4 plus years removed from whatever Bush had to do with it. On the other hand, I love Uncle Ted because he speaks his mind more eloquently than anyone else can and he doesn't need a teleprompter. Deadly Tedly is my Facebook friend. His latest adventure was teaching Kid Rock how to adequately let loose arrows at whitetail deer and other tasty critters. On another note, stocks rose for Smith & Wesson, Glock and other gun makers when Obama was re-elected as many fear that gun control will play a big part in his last term legislation. Nice to see all this 'tolerance' from the left.
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Post by erik on Nov 13, 2012 16:23:05 GMT -8
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Then kindly ask "Uncle Ted" about his draft dodging days in the 1960s, and compare it to his alleged "patriotism" of today. I'd say his is the perfect example of the kind of patriotism that, as philosopher Samuel Johnson once said, is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Nov 13, 2012 16:58:52 GMT -8
the U.S. needed a Libertarian in the white house. Ron Paul was the common sensical type to help this country. but most Americans dont like common sense. common sense goes against most people's religious beliefs. and religion is a giant part of American politics.
seems like the % of democrats and republicans are shrinking. its like they are being sucked into the black hole that is conservism and liberal nonsense.
when it comes to foreign affairs, lets mind our own frickin business and focus on helping our own country. lets admit to ourselves that the "war on terror" will never be won. with humanity comes terrorism. whipe out the federal government's involvment with social issues such as gay marriage and abortion (inside of a woman's body SHOULD NOT be a part of the government's jurisdiction!). the money that will be saved from not fighting in a war would be a good step forward. but the most important thing of all is limited government in areas that government should have no business taking over. like healthcare. obamacare is a joke.
and for the obama fans that say obama saved the auto industry, well, it doesnt take a genius to give a handout. quit acting like obama is a saint for doing that. learning of common sense isnt hard. just takes practice. i wasnt happy nor sad to hear obama won four more years. the other option was romney. the way i see it- obama is moving america forward but not to a good place. romney would have moved america backwards.
im proud to have not voted. and voting for a third party would have been a waste of time. cant say i didnt vote most places because some people will question my love for this country. why people think not voting makes you unpatriotic i dont know. stupid, stupid people.
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Post by slovog on Nov 14, 2012 9:06:51 GMT -8
the U.S. needed a Libertarian in the white house. Ron Paul was the common sensical type to help this country. but most Americans dont like common sense. common sense goes against most people's religious beliefs. and religion is a giant part of American politics. seems like the % of democrats and republicans are shrinking. its like they are being sucked into the black hole that is conservism and liberal nonsense. when it comes to foreign affairs, lets mind our own frickin business and focus on helping our own country. lets admit to ourselves that the "war on terror" will never be won. with humanity comes terrorism. whipe out the federal government's involvment with social issues such as gay marriage and abortion (inside of a woman's body SHOULD NOT be a part of the government's jurisdiction!). the money that will be saved from not fighting in a war would be a good step forward. but the most important thing of all is limited government in areas that government should have no business taking over. like healthcare. obamacare is a joke. and for the obama fans that say obama saved the auto industry, well, it doesnt take a genius to give a handout. quit acting like obama is a saint for doing that. learning of common sense isnt hard. just takes practice. i wasnt happy nor sad to hear obama won four more years. the other option was romney. the way i see it- obama is moving america forward but not to a good place. romney would have moved america backwards. im proud to have not voted. and voting for a third party would have been a waste of time. cant say i didnt vote most places because some people will question my love for this country. why people think not voting makes you unpatriotic i dont know. stupid, stupid people. I agree with your Libertarian views. As long as Libertarians are considered a third party, they'll never do anything more than split the vote. If Ron Paul had a chance in hell he'd have gotten my vote too. I disagree with not casting a vote. Apathy is no way to invoke change either. You don't get to bitch if you didn't vote. There are plenty of other choices from extremely more Liberal to extremely more Conservative and everything in between. Write in Ron Paul if that's what you want to do, but VOTE!
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Post by slovog on Nov 14, 2012 9:08:05 GMT -8
Quote by slovog: Then kindly ask "Uncle Ted" about his draft dodging days in the 1960s, and compare it to his alleged "patriotism" of today. I'd say his is the perfect example of the kind of patriotism that, as philosopher Samuel Johnson once said, is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Clintonesc isn't it? Hey! You guys should Dixie Chick Uncle Ted!
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