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Post by natkins on Mar 2, 2009 16:13:19 GMT -8
Not sure what to make of this....------------------------------------------------ Robison appeared after a short break, wasting little time placing the audience in the palm of his hand. With a drum-tight band, he delivered an exuberant, explosive sound full of precision-crafted, hook-heavy tunes in sharp contrast to his fellow Austinite's droll, laconic approach, but his songs were just as full of the sardonic humor that seems to be one of his state's natural resources. Beers were raised heartily in the air as Robison powered through crowd-pleasing imbiber's anthems like "Barlight" and "Good Times," the first hints of a distinctly Texan brand of boozy, post-Jerry Jeff Walker revelry that picked up steam over the course of the evening. Of course, the audience members' specific origins became quickly -- and loudly -- apparent when Robison sang out "see you in Houston" (or Dallas, or Austin) on his 1999 single, "My Hometown." He also made pointed reference to his ex-wife, Dixie Chicks Emily Robison, in introducing a new song from his forthcoming album. It all made sense when the first verse described a lady who "pretended to be a Democrat."www.cmt.com/news/country-music/1606141/texas-musicians-take-over-new-york-city.jhtml
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Post by oregonchickfan on Mar 2, 2009 16:20:20 GMT -8
"He also made pointed reference to his ex-wife, Dixie Chicks Emily Robison, in introducing a new song from his forthcoming album. It all made sense when the first verse described a lady who "pretended to be a Democrat.""Ouch, that doesn't sound very amicable to me.
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Post by chicksfan on Mar 2, 2009 16:41:28 GMT -8
Not amicable at all....
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Post by ile on Mar 2, 2009 16:57:20 GMT -8
Writing songs about the divorce doesn't mean the divorce wasn't amicable.
He has said that songs on the album were written during the worse time of the divorce. She probably has just as much negative things to say about him as he does her. It DOESN'T mean that the decision to divorce wasn't amicable and definately doesn't mean they don't get along NOW. His album was finished in March 2008, so it was probably written many, many months before that. I'm sure upcoming Dixie Chicks songs will be just as revealing.
He has a reputation of being extremely arrogant and self serving, so don't be surprised if you see or hear him talking about the divorce and making reference to Emily in public in order to get publicity for his new album. He used their relationship like that while they were together, why wouldn't he do it after they broke up??
I just hope he remembers through all of this that she is the mother of his children.
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Post by chicksfan on Mar 2, 2009 17:50:16 GMT -8
Well, there is usually two sides to every story, and considering that, it isn't assured the divorce WAS amicable even though it has been reported as such. And if he wants to refer to the divorce in a song, by all means, write about it. Throw a hound dog, a beat up ol' truck and a beer run in there, and it'd be perfect! But he of all people should know how much crap his wife took after the Incident, and to pile onto it seems a bit much to me.
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2009 1:00:09 GMT -8
But do you think there's any truth to his statement? Emily's mum was a republican, so I wonder if Emily and Martie were too, pre incident of course. I read some stats recently that children usually take on their parents political preferences.
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Post by eaglemaster on Mar 3, 2009 3:52:27 GMT -8
He has a reputation of being extremely arrogant and self serving, ... A display of arrogance usually means that a person is rather insecure and is therefore putting up some kind of a "wall" in order to protect his/her real views/feelings/emotions etc. I just hope he remembers through all of this that she is the mother of his children. I second this sentiment, Ile. PR for one's new record is one thing, having to face the actual human being that you somehow "dissed" in public is something totally different...
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Post by evets on Mar 3, 2009 9:04:49 GMT -8
I don't know maybe Emily just fell in love and forgot to ask herself the important questions.
Will this guy add up to anything?
How much has he wasted in overdraft fees?
If we got married, does he make enough to provide child support?
Why does he weigh so much? Why is he staring at me like that?
Why does he have so little in his wallet?
Doesn't he know he'll have to get up and go to work in the morning?
Can't he tell time?
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Post by redbarron on Mar 3, 2009 14:37:54 GMT -8
I don't think money meant anything to her. His sister-in-law, singer Kelly Willis, always said Emily was not making the big bucks when they met. And they were so much alike. And sister Martie thought he was cool also. Who knows what happened. I don't think it was jealousy, or he wouldn't make the kind of music he makes. He can do commercial music if he wants. Too much time apart is my theory.
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Post by redbarron on Mar 3, 2009 14:47:19 GMT -8
Ile
"He has a reputation of being extremely arrogant and self serving, so don't be surprised if you see or hear him talking about the divorce and making reference to Emily in public in order to get publicity for his new album. He used their relationship like that while they were together, why wouldn't he do it after they broke up?"
HOW DID HE USE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WHEN THEY WERE MARRIED, AND WHAT IS THIS REPUTATION OF BEING ARROGANT AND SELF-SERVING. DO YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, WHERE DID YOU HEAR THAT? IT SEEMS IF HE WAS THAT WAY, EMILY WOULDN'T HAVE MARRIED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND MARTIE AND NATALIE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF HIM.
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Post by ile on Mar 3, 2009 15:49:50 GMT -8
Ile "He has a reputation of being extremely arrogant and self serving, so don't be surprised if you see or hear him talking about the divorce and making reference to Emily in public in order to get publicity for his new album. He used their relationship like that while they were together, why wouldn't he do it after they broke up?" HOW DID HE USE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WHEN THEY WERE MARRIED, AND WHAT IS THIS REPUTATION OF BEING ARROGANT AND SELF-SERVING. DO YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, WHERE DID YOU HEAR THAT? IT SEEMS IF HE WAS THAT WAY, EMILY WOULDN'T HAVE MARRIED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND MARTIE AND NATALIE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF HIM. Okay relax please. I never claimed to know him. Maybe I was being too judgemental. I was just kind of disappointed that after doing to so well at keeping quiet for the sake of the kids, that he might be taking jabs at her during his show. It's one thing to write a song about the situation and another thing to bring her up in between songs (and then claim they are still good friends). As far as his arrogance, it's hard not to come to those conclusions about him after reading his lyrics, reading numerous articles ("I'm the greatest thing you're ever going to see," he announced, "but you probably won't play me because you're too **** stupid." www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:82205 ), interviews, accounts from people who've met him, hearing the way he talks during his shows etc. Sorry if I offended you or if you feel I went too far. It was just me over-reacting to the thought of a dumb public feud between them.
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Post by chicksfan on Mar 3, 2009 16:36:08 GMT -8
But do you think there's any truth to his statement? Emily's mum was a republican, so I wonder if Emily and Martie were too, pre incident of course. I read some stats recently that children usually take on their parents political preferences. Well, one doesn't know really. I really don't know how she feels politically, or even how she stands on issues (though she has always seemed opened to a socially left lifestyle, i.e. sexual orientation), but maybe she is/was a fiscal republican? But regardless, I think its a little demeaning for him to be questioning her political stance publicly, imo. And redbarron, what Ile has said about his demeanor has been suggested here before, not saying its true, but that it HAS been suggested.
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Post by Bingo on Mar 3, 2009 18:19:38 GMT -8
Here's a video tribute to the happier days in the Robison marriage (which is probably the best thing for us outsiders to focus on)
On the general discussion raised here, I'll just say that it's probably inevitable (on a Dixie Chicks fan board) for most posters to feel better disposed towards Emily than towards Charlie. But that said, I think that any outsider view is almost by definition bound to be unrealistic, partial and conjectural. Emily has always been the Dixie Chick I liked the most - but , for all that, I'm enough of a realist to think it likely that her reported relationship with Marty Strayer must have had a serious effect on Charlie. The origin of these things are usually not simplistic - and it's usually best for the rest of us not to become judgmental and take sides.
On the specific issues raised here, it's pretty obvious that Charlie (who called his eldest child after a character invented by one of the McMurtrys, and is now sharing a stage with Robert Earl Keen) has no problem with real Democrats. Whether, and it what context, he might be suggesting that Emily is only a pretend Democrat - I think we'd better wait until we hear the song to find out (If anyone has heard it, as he seems to be prepping it at concerts, please post - otherwise I guess we'll have to wait for the album)
Emily certainly supported (and donated to) the Democrats in the 2004 election. As far as I know, the only comment she's reportedly made since is that she'd vote Democrat "provided they had someone who could win". That might not be considered the most ringing of endorsements - but I don't think she's been particularly political in public anyway.
As to the question of whether he "should" make any reference to Emily at concerts, I'd rather he didn't - but unfortunately, this "high road" is not always taken in the entertainment world. Natalie, for example, spoke disparagingly about Michael at concerts quite a bit during and after her divorce. I guess these things are influenced by personality - and entertainers tend to be no more saints than the rest of us.
Footnote: the gloomy side apart - did you all read the rest of that article? Ray Wylie Hubbard, Cross Canadian Ragweed, Robert Earl Keen - that sounds a concert lineup made in Heaven!
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Post by redbarron on Mar 4, 2009 9:30:20 GMT -8
LOL...Charlie has always spoken his mind, and I certainly don't always agree with him. His song lyrics is what I love about him, but I don't know the man either. I guess I'm just nosy and want to know why they broke up after seeming to be in love with other for those first several years. LOL
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Post by evets on Mar 4, 2009 10:03:33 GMT -8
Charlie seems more like a James Dean type in a way. Kind of a rebel loner who prefers solitude over crowds. Reality over hype. Self sufficiency is important to him. Calling his own shots. He grew up in a life of cowboys, cattle men, discipline and this has shaped his values whether he wants them or not.
He likely sees the world as it really is in all it's blunt reality and that's a painful proposition for an artist. I think underneath Charlies "front" there's most likely an extremely sensitive soul in there.
Anyway life happens.
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Post by dripsey3 on Mar 5, 2009 1:43:23 GMT -8
But do you think there's any truth to his statement? Emily's mum was a republican, so I wonder if Emily and Martie were too, pre incident of course. I read some stats recently that children usually take on their parents political preferences. Well, one doesn't know really. I really don't know how she feels politically, or even how she stands on issues (though she has always seemed opened to a socially left lifestyle, i.e. sexual orientation), but maybe she is/was a fiscal republican? But regardless, I think its a little demeaning for him to be questioning her political stance publicly, imo. And redbarron, what Ile has said about his demeanor has been suggested here before, not saying its true, but that it HAS been suggested. Emily donated money to John Kerry's election campaign in 2004. It's possible she was a Republican before the incident, but changed sides afterwards?.
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Post by peppermintpatti on Mar 6, 2009 1:44:09 GMT -8
Not so amicable after all. I guess the Chicks aren't the only ones who suck at PR. I guess that fluff piece about how pleasant the split was just fluff after all. I do recall an interview shortly after the incident where Charlie said "it wasn't the way the other two think." So there may be some truth behind his statment. IMO, the Chicks political creditabilty has always been suspect. I mean I think its great they stood up for the 1st Amendment and all but I do wonder sometimes if they really are as liberal or lefty as they claim to be. Natalie I believe is, but Martie and Em seem like they may have been more in the middle of the road than anything else and rallied behind Nat beacause she's their sister and were appalled by the brazen act of censorship. I mean since the incident how often have you heard Em or Martie say or do anything political? Its always been Nat. Plus there was that clip of the Chicks during the Fly era where they said they never wanted to get into politics either. So who knows. I do agree there's more to the story than we will probably ever know. Inspite of all that I do think it was wrong for Charlie for take a swipe at Emily, and yes I'd say the same thing if Emily had said something about Charlie. When kids are involved you've got to leave all that BS behind.
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Post by b@@b on Mar 6, 2009 13:02:17 GMT -8
Politics, whether at heart or on the surface, is no reason for the marriage to have fallen apart, especially a proclaimed good one. It had to have been personality and social issues IMO. He may just be using the phony-Democrat bit as a premise to build a song(s) on.
Besides, the article is at least referencing his ex-wife Emily. But how do we know Charlie really did? Maybe Jim Allen is reading too much into Charlie's new lyrics?
What's the song anyway?
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Post by peppermintpatti on Mar 6, 2009 22:40:21 GMT -8
I disagree. If you both have differing views on everything you're bound to get into alot of arguments and they may have differed about the messages they were sending to the kids on a variety of topics such as gun control or gay marriage.
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Post by b@@b on Mar 6, 2009 22:48:17 GMT -8
But in the home, one would vote one way, and the other person the other way. I have known couples whom are like this. And not debate about it. At least a good couple. I'm not saying it is a sure thing across the board, but it seemed Em and Charlie had something good, a good love, better than ...politics.
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Post by peppermintpatti on Mar 6, 2009 23:21:56 GMT -8
Well clearly looks can be deceiving. I'm not saying they did split over politics but it wouldn't surprise me if they did either. Depending upon how passionately they felt about their views it could've been the downfall for theirs or any other marriage.
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Post by b@@b on Mar 6, 2009 23:55:05 GMT -8
sucks. But i think she will become happier now, and sing about that, rather than him.
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Post by Kallie on Mar 9, 2009 23:58:49 GMT -8
What does he mean pretending to be a Democrat?
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Post by b@@b on Mar 10, 2009 17:41:37 GMT -8
^^ I am supposing that she ... used to be... a hardened Red/Republican voter, or conservative in her views, and since the backlash fiasco she and her counterparts went 'anti-Bush' and took Left center-stage. It seems pretty obvious Charlie is a conservative/Republican voter, and maybe his ex-wife used to be and he takes it too seriously.
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Post by ruffelle on Mar 10, 2009 19:08:52 GMT -8
Maybe pretending to be a Democrat is really referring to Emily's liking another man - maybe he didn't want to completely hurt her in his lyrics.
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