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Post by peacenik on Aug 28, 2008 17:24:04 GMT -8
"people who were prepared to be president" screwed this country up . . . because their "preparation" was in just that: screwing things up! . . . so whether Obama has the experience needed to prepare him to be president is pretty much meaningless drivel . . . he CAN'T do or be any worse than anything we've had before him! . . . i don't expect a lot from him . . . but that's because i've learned to never expect much from any politician or office holder . . . i look to other places and people to "expect" things . . .
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Post by Roger on Aug 28, 2008 17:38:35 GMT -8
I have been watching the Democratic convention all week. (I am a political junkie. Canada will have a federal election this Sept. and Oct. too. I will be in heaven! ) Obama's speech tonight feels like the Second Coming! ha ha - crowds in Times Square, 70,000 in Denver - wow!
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Post by Roger on Aug 28, 2008 17:51:16 GMT -8
By the way, it was nice to see Sheryl Crow and Stevie Wonder singing at the convention. But wouldn't it have been wonderful to see the Chicks there? Take that, Dubya!
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Post by chicksfan on Aug 28, 2008 18:11:19 GMT -8
Wow, there is a LOT of people there!!
Pretty neat.
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Post by BILLI on Aug 28, 2008 18:58:54 GMT -8
By the way, it was nice to see Sheryl Crow and Stevie Wonder singing at the convention. But wouldn't it have been wonderful to see the Chicks there? Take that, Dubya! I kinda thought maybe Nat would join Sheryl onstage as a surprise....... she didnt.
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Post by Roger on Aug 28, 2008 19:02:07 GMT -8
Obama's speech was a masterpiece! This man has vision. This man is a leader!
If you guys in the States don't want him, can we have him?
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Post by chicksfan on Aug 28, 2008 19:05:11 GMT -8
Yeah, that would have been great Billi!!! And... Awesome.
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Post by lolly on Aug 28, 2008 19:05:44 GMT -8
I watched too... does anyone know what country song was on in the background after he finished his speech
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Post by chicksfan on Aug 28, 2008 19:07:34 GMT -8
It was actually Brooks and Dunn.
Who, coincidentally (or maybe not), will be performing at the RNC.
Oops, forgot the song.
Only In America.
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Post by slovog on Aug 28, 2008 19:21:53 GMT -8
"people who were prepared to be president" screwed this country up . . . because their "preparation" was in just that: screwing things up! . . . so whether Obama has the experience needed to prepare him to be president is pretty much meaningless drivel . . . he CAN'T do or be any worse than anything we've had before him! . . . i don't expect a lot from him . . . but that's because i've learned to never expect much from any politician or office holder . . . i look to other places and people to "expect" things . . . Hardly a ringing endorsement. Lot's of folks could lay claim to not being any worse (or better) than the previous presidents. I liked Reagan. I admit he charmed the socks off of people. He even had people that didn't agree with his policies voting for him. What does that tell you about the fodder the DNC came up with to run against him? The Iranians let the hostages go because they knew it'd be a 'boot in their arse' if they didn't. He strengthened a pathetically funded military and helped bring an end to the Cold War with policies besides boycotting the Olympics. (That worked) Remember it wasn't until 1994 that we didn't have a Democratic majority in Congress. The legislative branch has more policy making power than the executive branch. I'm not throwing in the towel on Obama or McCain in the upcoming. I hope it's a rather boring 4 years until a better candidate comes down the pike.
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Post by BILLI on Aug 28, 2008 19:41:43 GMT -8
Reagan was an actor, he knew how to "play" it. The man was not anything they lay claim to. The hostages were freed because the Iranians wanted to "f" with us.... it was a political ploy and it worked. He got all the credit. He was a dishonest as they come. No better than Nixon in my opinion.
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Post by james on Aug 28, 2008 19:51:53 GMT -8
Only a B movie actor.
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Post by More Fiddle on Aug 28, 2008 19:52:33 GMT -8
Yeahhhhhhhh...that's it. The Iranians were so terribly frightened of Reagan's great prowess that they held the hostages for 444 days and then released them the moment Reagan became President because they were a-skeered.
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Post by james on Aug 28, 2008 19:57:00 GMT -8
Yeahhhhhhhh...that's it. The Iranians were so terribly frightened of Reagan's great prowess that they held the hostages for 444 days and then released them the moment Reagan became President because they were a-skeered. The Iranians were not scare then and are not scared now.
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Post by BILLI on Aug 28, 2008 20:05:16 GMT -8
umm James, she was joking.....
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Post by james on Aug 28, 2008 20:12:01 GMT -8
umm James, she was joking..... I knew that,i forgot to put up my smiley. Its after 5 am after all. ;D
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Post by BILLI on Aug 28, 2008 20:14:18 GMT -8
James get to bed!
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Post by james on Aug 28, 2008 20:15:09 GMT -8
I was,then i wasnt but soon i will be again. ;D I am off work just now and i am still waking up at about my normal work time.
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Post by thinwhitechick on Aug 29, 2008 5:32:26 GMT -8
Obama gave a great speech last night. Now let's one, see if he gets elected, and two, can deliver on his promises.
Now for an observation. Why was the audience predominately white? Yesterday was the 45th anniversary of the MLK speech, and the fact that Obama is the first Afo-American to win the nomination to rum for President, I expected at least a 50/50 crowd.
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Post by peacenik on Aug 29, 2008 7:12:36 GMT -8
as a matter of fact, the Iranians have "us" scared . . as do so many others . . . and with good reason . . they play "hit and run" (an old American Revolutionary War tactic that was then and remains effective - one never knows what or where or when and it keeps things off balance, as we've been since that infamous 9-11 morning) . . .despite the "bravado speak", and 'we'll never change our way of living speak" the reality is "we have" . . . just taking an airline flight now is a royal pain . . . and so many "privacies" have been sold out and compromised over "terror fears" . . so they HAVE altered our way of living . . .
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Post by slovog on Aug 29, 2008 7:55:02 GMT -8
Yours maybe. My way of living has not been altered one iota.
I rather think of how pitifully prepared our military would have been if not for Ronald Reagan and if the Soviets would still have their boot on our neck.
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Post by peacenik on Aug 29, 2008 8:18:09 GMT -8
slovog -- Ron Reagan had NOTHING to do wit hthe decline of the Soviet Union . . . despite some claims that he did . . . the Soviet was crumbling from within . . and was doomed to decompose . . and America is liewise crumbling from within . .and if not careful, will go the way the Soviet Union did . . . (not a wild faniciful claim either . . . altho)ugh George W. Bush HAS made a substantial contribution to prodding the rebuilding of the old Soviet Union in many ways.)
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Post by Bingo on Aug 29, 2008 8:22:06 GMT -8
Iran had nothing to do with 9/11. The Al-Qaeda attack was inspired and planned by a Wahhabi from a wealthy Saudi family, and the militant jihadists who join or support Al-Qaeda come from Sunni backgrounds, mainly with Arab or Pakistani heritage. They are mainly young Conservative Fundamentalists who resent Western cultural dominance and see Western values as a threat to their religion and culture.
Iran is an overwhelmingly Shi'ite country, whose religious leaders are regarded as heretics by Sunnis - especially by Wahhabi Fundamentalists. Al-Qaeda is in fact still fighting Iranian government forces in parts of the Western borderlands.
The position of Iran in the "War on Terror" is complicated by a number of things - not least by the tendency for some commentators to see the Middle East as all one entity, and by residual feelings of "unfinished business" from the overthrow of the pro-Western Shah and the American Embassy hostage crisis that followed that.
In fact, the inevitable victory of a Shi'a majority government once democracy was introduced in Iraq, the eventual realisation by moderate Sunnis that they would have to work with that government, and Iranian pressure on militant Shi'a leaders not to confront the assertion of government control have all been significant in reducing the level of violence in Iraq. It may suit McCain to ignore that, and claim it is due to Pretaeus's "troop surge" - but the reality is that the West would need endless (and ultimately pointless) troop surges if the Iranian government hadn't seen it's regional interests to lie in bolstering up the new Iraqi government.
The Shi'as have been the biggest beneficiaries in Southern and Central Iraq - and as they have always been the majority there, it's surprising that Blair and the US Neo-Cons don't seem to have foreseen that. The problem is probably a historic stereotyping of always associating the "Middel East" with Sunni Arabs. They had supported Saddam for years, and they seem to have naively assumed that "democracy" would replace him with another, friendlier Sunni.
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Post by peacenik on Aug 29, 2008 10:00:12 GMT -8
just as we formerly "thought" that the Shah of Iran we placed on The Peacock Throne would be able to rule Iran in confromity with American wishes . . . didn't work . . . self =determination is just that: "self" determination . . . not "American" or "western" determiniation of what that "self" must be for others . . .
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Post by james on Aug 29, 2008 10:15:02 GMT -8
Wahhabi Fundamentalists are the one the USA didnt want to face up to. It was because of the wealth they give to to the likes of the Bush family,the Carlisle group etc So when they carried out 9/11 they used that as an excuse,sd they knew they could tell the people anything then,to get the oil pipelines from Afghanistan and Iraq. Remember Bush didnt know they have different kinds of Muslims,like the christians.
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