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Post by nedcfan on Mar 6, 2020 7:28:13 GMT -8
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Post by oregonchickfan on Mar 6, 2020 8:17:04 GMT -8
What a different interview. I definitely enjoyed reading that.
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Post by erik on Mar 6, 2020 10:07:59 GMT -8
Very pointed interview, spiked with a certain West Texas wit. But I don't think we could expect any less from them.
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Post by oregonchickfan on Mar 6, 2020 14:47:35 GMT -8
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Post by oregonchickfan on Mar 6, 2020 14:49:24 GMT -8
It's amazing to see so many positive articles out about Gaslighter and their return. Between Google alerts and a DCX Facebook group, it seems like an endless stream of new articles coming out.
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Post by Bingo on Mar 6, 2020 16:15:01 GMT -8
That's a significant article, showing a) that nearly all the play so far has been on Country stations, b) that the initial reaction of those stations has been better than some would have expected (and suggesting reasons for that), and c) that initial airtime play can't be relied on to predict a sustained rise in the charts, which tends still be skewed to the male established Nashville stars. Of the corporations named, Cumulus were heavily involved in the 2003 radio boycott, but seem now to be changing their tune. I-Heart radio did not exist in 2003, but they are owned by the Clear Channel media conglomerate, which played a mixed part in the 2003 boycott. It continued to back the Chicks' tour throughout, and also allowed radio play to continue in markets adjudged to be friendly - but joined the boycott and pressured DJs to stop playing, in markets where public hostility was apparent.
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Post by Bingo on Mar 7, 2020 8:32:41 GMT -8
Kyle Coroneos' review from "Saving Country Music" reviewSupportive of the band and their return; balanced about the actual song; honest about the touch of regret for what it might have been (---frankly, much of it not a million miles from my own thoughts)
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Post by sthdvs2012 on Mar 7, 2020 9:21:23 GMT -8
Kyle Coroneos' review from "Saving Country Music" reviewSupportive of the band and their return; balanced about the actual song; honest about the touch of regret for what it might have been (---frankly, much of it not a million miles from my own thoughts) So tiresome to read. That really could have been cut by about 150 or more words. I usually never read movie or song reviews. The writers frequently spend more time trying to convince the reader of how deep and intelligent their review is... lol. which just leaves me wanting to press the home button on my phone before even finishing. 😅
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Post by Bingo on Mar 7, 2020 9:57:55 GMT -8
Matter of taste, lol. I'm a keen reader of reviews, and have written a few myself (usually longer than that one)
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Post by sthdvs2012 on Mar 7, 2020 10:02:56 GMT -8
I just usually don’t usually find much value in tedious reviews of other people’s art by people who haven’t really created anything themselves or offered their creations to the world. lol. Call me crazy.
Example: Sharon Osborne on AGT.....
Some will say “she has an eye for talent though”
Yeah. Well I can’t play clarinet but I can tell when someone else can lol. Does that give me an eye for talent?? 😅
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:10:19 GMT -8
the last review I left was on robin Lynn Macy’s latest release. It sucked! Sounded like an old goat caught in a trap. She should really just work fast food or something
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Post by Bingo on Mar 7, 2020 11:40:08 GMT -8
I just usually don’t usually find much value in tedious reviews of other people’s art by people who haven’t really created anything themselves or offered their creations to the world. lol. Call me crazy. Example: Sharon Osborne on AGT..... Some will say “she has an eye for talent though” Yeah. Well I can’t play clarinet but I can tell when someone else can lol. Does that give me an eye for talent?? 😅 I agree about talent show judges - their comments are often more like quick quips or sound bites, with little development (I would guess that coach's advice behind the scenes may be of more value - but we are seldom a party to that) A written review, though, in a paper, a book, or a blog, can, in my opinion be classed as a creative work in itself. Whether I agree with the tenor of the review or not - I do enjoy reading the context, the aspects highlighted, the aspects I might feel have been missed. and the general relation proposed by the writer to the broader genre as a whole. Of course, it's a matter of taste, and I know detailed reviews or commentary are not for everyone, and may be roundly rejected by many. But for me, they are part of my exploration of music, and I feel more in tune with that part of the overall scene - even with the ones that might annoy me personally!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 12:48:07 GMT -8
I don’t read reviews that are written by idiots!
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Mar 8, 2020 9:08:57 GMT -8
Watched the interview from CBS this morning. Enjoyed seeing our Chicks showing support for one another, however I'm sick to death of hearing about the Shepard's Bush incident and the aftermath that followed. It's been 17 years. There's new stuff to talk about. I know newer and younger fans may not be in the loop, but that's what Shut Up and Sing and all the interviews and articles are there for.
Also I found Natalie's comments about her solo album interesting. If she would have felt more comfortable with Martie and Emily with her, and didn't exactly enjoy the experience, why not just do a dcx album instead? If it was a timing issue, they could have sped up the process by doing a cover album like they were initially considering doing before Nat's songwriting inspiration came about. I know Ben Harper kinda pressured her to do it, but Natalie is her own person.
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Post by sthdvs2012 on Mar 8, 2020 9:59:36 GMT -8
I agree. That interviewer wasted so much time talking about 2003. And Natalie seems a lot like FLY Natalie These days, as opposed to depressed and dreary TTLW Natalie lol
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Post by martiechick09 on Mar 8, 2020 10:01:04 GMT -8
Watched the interview from CBS this morning. Enjoyed seeing our Chicks showing support for one another, however I'm sick to death of hearing about the Shepard's Bush incident and the aftermath that followed. It's been 17 years. There's new stuff to talk about. I know newer and younger fans may not be in the loop, but that's what Shut Up and Sing and all the interviews and articles are there for. Also I found Natalie's comments about her solo album interesting. If she would have felt more comfortable with Martie and Emily with her, and didn't exactly enjoy the experience, why not just do a dcx album instead? If it was a timing issue, they could have sped up the process by doing a cover album like they were initially considering doing before Nat's songwriting inspiration came about. I know Ben Harper kinda pressured her to do it, but Natalie is her own person. That's the way I feel too. I'm so tired of hearing about 17 years ago. I know it's always going to be something that's part of their history and the haters are gonna hate no matter what, but let's move on! I did really like what they said though about not caring at all about what happens to this new album. They have so much freedom to do whatever the heck they please because they don't care if radio will play it or if it wins any awards or not. I feel the same way, I'm just excited for new music finally and that they're together again!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 16:03:32 GMT -8
I just hope they don’t ever consider replacing Natalie with robin Lynn Macy. that would be a disaster for us all!
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Post by Bingo on Mar 8, 2020 18:49:38 GMT -8
Watched the interview from CBS this morning. Enjoyed seeing our Chicks showing support for one another, however I'm sick to death of hearing about the Shepard's Bush incident and the aftermath that followed. It's been 17 years. There's new stuff to talk about. I know newer and younger fans may not be in the loop, but that's what Shut Up and Sing and all the interviews and articles are there for. Also I found Natalie's comments about her solo album interesting. If she would have felt more comfortable with Martie and Emily with her, and didn't exactly enjoy the experience, why not just do a dcx album instead? If it was a timing issue, they could have sped up the process by doing a cover album like they were initially considering doing before Nat's songwriting inspiration came about. I know Ben Harper kinda pressured her to do it, but Natalie is her own person. I agree on both counts On the 2003 business, I don't get the feeling that the Chicks themselves are keen to keep that alive. It's probably not a particularly live topic for large sections of their potential listeners either. But for the media, it's stock material that's easy to begin any discussion with, and I think, in that sense, it's going to continue to follow them. (This interview does not seem to have been music based - more a discussion of personal feelings - so that makes it even more likely that the interviewer will bring it up. On the side projects, I don't think it was just a case of Natalie not wanting to make a Dixie Chicks record - I think it was more a case of the three of them not feeling able to agree on the type of Dixie Chicks record they could make. (I think there's various evidence for that, but one example was Martie's comment when the sisters went out to CA to consider a song Rick Rubin was recording with Natalie - she was reported to have said something along the lines of not wanting to be a backing singer on someone else's record. Rubin did record the song, but he ended up using a sister duo from England to sing the harmonies he'd intended for Martie and Emily) I hope this new album project means they've settled the stylistic rift that seemed to have grown between them in those years (I would guess that both sides had to make some accomodation to bring that about) It does also raise the question of whether the side projects will now be dead. Natalie's comment, at face value, would suggest she's pretty unlikely to make another solo album (though I thought "Mother" had some considerable merit - especially "Vein in Vain", which she co-wrote with Ben Harper and two of his band). The Court Yard Hounds had a strong start - songs like "Ain't No Son" were more my kind of music than quite a bit of the last Chicks' album (and this new single, for that matter). However, I think they lost some of that creative steam with the second album, which, for me was a disappointing follow-up (it's best song, "Phoebe" was actually written in the previous album era).
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Post by erik on Mar 9, 2020 6:06:51 GMT -8
Quote by Bingo:
Having seen the interview, I admit that Tracy Smith, who did the interview, could have focused more on the single and the forthcoming album than she actually did.
But I suspect that the reason the media will keep bringing up The Incident is to draw parallels with, if not a comment or two, the state of America in 2020 versus the way it was in 2003. To an extent it's only natural that they would, but the danger for the Chicks, and why they are frustrated about still having to talk about the 2003 firestorm, is that the question will be framed in a way to get a "Gotcha!" type of answer, and thus pull them into another controversy, one that might make even what happened to them in 2003 seem like a mere pinprick in comparison (IMHO).
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Post by oregonchickfan on Mar 9, 2020 22:57:08 GMT -8
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Post by erik on Mar 10, 2020 6:34:48 GMT -8
Quote by oregonchickfan:
All of what's in the above-mentioned article rings true.
What also seems to ring true as well, however, is that the country music industry, as the 1990s came to an end, had become, in the kind of lingo we would hear during the 2007-08 financial debacle, "too big to fail." Then 9/11 happened; and there was this reversion back to the right-wing (sorry, I cannot call it "conservative") "my country, right or wrong" stand of the Vietnam War era, the difference being that there was no Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge Report, or any other major right-wing media organ that existed in the late 1960s and 1970s. The industry itself didn't want to upset its own economic apple cart with artists who had opinions contrary to the socio-political wisdom of the Toby Keith "Courtesy Of The Red, White, And Blue" kind; and so the Chicks, by virtue of their gender and individual political idealism, got, for lack of a better term, metaphorically lynched. It was quite stupid on the industry's part, as the Iraq war, which they trumpeted for the first three years, went bad, as it inevitably would, by the time the Chicks put out Taking The Long Way in 2006.
And so now they're about to come out with Gaslighter; and in this era of Trump, #MeToo, and COVID-19, who knows what'll happen with them next?
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Post by nedcfan on Mar 10, 2020 7:24:53 GMT -8
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Post by DCXMMXVI on Mar 16, 2020 0:22:40 GMT -8
Toronto Star article Interesting article talking about the potential misuse or overuse of the term 'gaslighter.' The author asks if the song is really about a Gaslighter, or if it's just a song about a jerk. He questioned if the Chicks' song is the new 'Ironic' by Alanis Morissette. There is also a poll asking the readers what they think. Firstly, there is an example of gaslighting, which is a classic example, for which she says, "Tried to say I'm crazy, babe we know I'm not crazy." Does the song lack specifics? Sure, but that doesn't prove that the word was misused. After all, we do not know exactly what happened behind closed doors within their relationship. Secondly, I don't think a song called Gaslighter is obligated to list example after example of gaslighting in order to justify being called Gaslighter. Just like how she mentioned something he did on her boat without providing exactly what he did, or how she mentioned him repeating all of the mistakes of his father without providing specific examples. I don't think the author understands how difficult it is to write a song, especially when the potential for legal issues is on the writers' minds. So I don't think that Gaslighter is the new Ironic. I think that's a silly comparison. Alanis gave examples of irony that were not ironic, whereas the Dixie Chicks did not give examples of gaslighting that were not truly examples of gaslighting. The only example they gave, which was labeled as gaslighting in the song, was in fact an example of gaslighting. Sure, you can call someone crazy without being a Gaslighter. It's more of a systematic effort that attempts to convince someone they're crazy, leaving people to question if they are, or might even make someone become crazy. There is no reason to suggest that the word was misused just because there was no additional information given in the lyrics.
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Post by viv on Apr 7, 2020 13:33:07 GMT -8
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Post by Bert on Apr 7, 2020 14:05:40 GMT -8
It is always fun and informative listening to DCX interviews. As a matter of fact since I became a fan in 2006, I have looked at and listened to their old interviews. So much so that when a few years ago Don Lemmon (CNN) was discussing the fact that Minorities got harsher sentences than Whites, I was able to say; Hell! over 20 yrs ago, Nat said she had observed the same thing in High School.
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