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Post by redbarron on May 25, 2013 13:06:37 GMT -8
Being a huge Rolling Stones fan, I've been following the tour that only someone with major pockets can afford to attend this time. They have been having a guest artist on each show. They had Keith Urban in L.A., which makes some sense as Keith Richards is a fan of country music (having recorded with George Jones!) and Keith Urban plays a mean guitar. Tonight (Toronto) they are having Carrie Underwood as their guest. I like her voice, but just cannot imagine which song she will be singing with the Stones. Dead Flowers? Gonna be interesting. Hope someone gets it on video. Still shaking my head over it. I guess I have no imagination. Any Stones fan that can take a guess on which Stones song Carrie will sing on? Y'all have a good Memorial Day weekend, and don't forget to pause and remember.
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Post by Bingo on May 25, 2013 13:19:09 GMT -8
Can't speak for the Stones fans, but the most popular guess in the Carrie fan base is "Gimme Shelter" - but I don't think there's been any hint or confirmation.
The guess is based on the fact that the song includes a prominent female part, and has been performed previously on tour with a number of female guests of varying backgrounds. Also it requires high notes and power singing, which would fit Carrie, and the subject matter may appeal to her (both literally, with the reference to storms and shelter, and metaphorically, for its theme of reaction to war and violence)
You're right about Keith Richards - he was a friend (and survivor) of the ill fated Gram Parsons, and the Country influence is obvious in songs like Honky Tonk Women and Wild Horses.
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Post by erik on May 25, 2013 15:52:26 GMT -8
I'll take a bet on what she probably won't do--"Tumbling Dice", and for two reasons:
One is that the word "b****in'" is in the lyrics.
Two is that Linda Ronstadt's 1977 recording of it (and she performed it with the Stones in 1978 when they performed in her hometown of Tucson) is considered one of the best Stones covers by anybody.
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Post by Bingo on May 25, 2013 16:34:50 GMT -8
They say they won't post the song title for those not going until right after it's been performed in the arena There's a short clip of the stage layout here: vine.co/v/bVXVDI0BYdnRonnie Wood has tweeted: "Just done a great soundcheck with @carrieunderwood ~ looking forward to the gig tonight"Carrie has tweeted: "I'm singing with THE ROLLING STONES!!! Still can't believe it!and "Just had rehearsals! The guys are so great! They made this country girl feel right at home!"and from Luke Laird: "Stay away from the cocaine :-)"and from Wynonna Judd (who's been supportive of Carrie when she ruffled a few feathers recently) "@carrieunderwood YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!"
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Post by Bingo on May 25, 2013 18:06:26 GMT -8
Apparently, the song chosen was "It's Only Rock 'N' Roll (But I Like It)"
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Post by erik on May 25, 2013 19:27:57 GMT -8
Quote by Bingo:
Now this should be interesting. Whatever goody-two-shoes persona Carrie might have had just might fly out the window (IMHO).
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Post by Bingo on May 26, 2013 7:11:22 GMT -8
Now this should be interesting. Whatever goody-two-shoes persona Carrie might have had just might fly out the window (IMHO). Some of her fans do cling to that image (and they are part of the demand for her to include lighter songs - which she herself calls "mushy" ones). She is, though, a complex character. I think what may prove more of an eye opener for casual listeners is her Marie Claire interview - a perhaps surprisingly thorough write-up for that category of magazine. In that she's frank about her personality and not conventionally "chocolate box" attitude. It's met a hostile reception in the comments sections of some blogs - though, as far as I can tell, most of this seems to be from people who disliked her anyway. The one remark that seems to have attracted most condemnation is her comment about her marriage "I'm like the guy in the relationship" (which, in context, referred only to not being the one who put much store by conventional romantic gestures like flowers and anniversaries - but has aroused prim comments about sounding un-Christian, un-American and crypto-Gay)
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Post by Bingo on May 26, 2013 7:37:53 GMT -8
Canoe (the Canadian site which some fans may remember for their thorough coverage of the Dixie Chicks in the past) said "Toronto was treated to the big, booming voice of country artist Carrie Underwood on the Stones classic It’s Only Rock 'N’ Roll, as she more than held her own opposite Jagger."Carrie herself tweeted: "@rollingstones @officialkeef @mickjagger @ronniewood & Charlie Watts: THANK YOU for having me on stage w/you tonight! You made my life! xoxo"
Ronnie Wood has become one of her Twitter "followers", and I think Keith Richards' face while Carrie took her bow shows they appreciated the collaboration too: www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/article12157575.ece/BINARY/w620/stones-to3%282%29.JPG
Here's a video of the performance:
And, yes, Carrie is wearing the Union Jack, on "foreign soil", (our girl done more than bin to Memphis!) lol
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Post by b@@b on May 26, 2013 9:23:18 GMT -8
That's pretty huge. And I don't mean just the ticket prices.
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Post by erik on May 26, 2013 10:35:33 GMT -8
Quote by Bingo re. Carrie's Marie Clare interview:
Well, while I'm not a fan of hers, I think the people who have this attitude about her being "un-Christian", "un-American", and "crypto-Gay" need to get a life...or a job! The world in general, and this country in particular, isn't necessarily going to follow their doctrine, and they'd better get used to it.
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Post by Bingo on May 26, 2013 13:09:22 GMT -8
Well, while I'm not a fan of hers, I think the people who have this attitude about her being "un-Christian", "un-American", and "crypto-Gay" need to get a life...or a job! The world in general, and this country in particular, isn't necessarily going to follow their doctrine, and they'd better get used to it. Therein lies the crux of the matter. In the "Culture War" mentality, egged on by some Fox News commentators, some talk radio hosts and some websites, Christianity, music, and a view of what is "American" have all been subsumed for many people into an over-arching Conservatism. There are certainly Liberal and more inclusive churches within most of the main denominational traditions (Carrie and her husband, Mike Fisher, belong to one - yet she is called a "faux Christian" and a "hypocrite" for not advocating a specific ideological approach to some social issues). As for American values, you could just as easily say that a failure to be tolerant and inclusive was "Un-American" - yet that language is seldom used, and the concept has virtually been pre-empted by Conservatives by default. The music context particularly interests me. Country Music always included a radical streak, and also a strand that was cynical about politics and "the Man" in general. These strands were never lost in the off-Mainstream sectors (as evidenced by people like Hazel Dickens, John Prine, Steve Earle or Johnny Cash) - and they were considerably boosted by developments like Progressive Bluegrass, and the Hippie-Redneck fusion. Today they're prominent on the Festival scene, in Red Dirt Music, Americana and Alt. Country. However, the Mainstream has remained excessively cautious and excessively willing to buy into an increasingly dated image of who it's typical "Heartland" fans are. This has played into the hands of those "Culture War" Conservatives who like to portray Mainstream Country as a one-track antidote to "Hollywood" (a code name for the Liberal entertainment industry in general - part of the Conservative mythology being that almost the entire media world is biased towards Liberalism, and that they are either the only unbiased ones, or simply fighting back against what an overwhelming enemy is doing already.) Given that belief, any crack in the "reliable" Mainstream Country monolith is likely to be greeted with alarm and hostility. But there are definite signs that the scene is changing. The Dixie Chick crisis was now ten years ago - and also took place in a climate of heated national emotion that went far beyond Country Music. It would probably need special circumstances to give the ideologists that degree of success again. Gay Marriage rights (in a changing social climate) are unlikely to give them that opportunity (although the same websites certainly tried to stir opposition again.) I won't get into the interesting question of why the more tolerant side of Mainstream Country (as opposed to the Outlaw wing) seems to be so dependent on women (both artists and fans) to carry the flag - but it is, and has been, to a large degree the case. Why the Conservatives are less likely to make all the running today is the fact that the "blow hards" are no longer the big spenders in the format, and even a cautious industry is aware that its younger female demographic is where a sizable part of its future lies. That the younger artists still have battles to fight, though, is illustrated by the struggle Kacey Musgraves has had with her label - which has been reluctant to test the radio format with this song: "If you save yourself for marriage, you're a bore. You don't save yourself for marriage, you're a -- horrible person. If you won't have a drink, then you're a prude. But they'll call you a drunk as soon you down the first one.
If you can't lose the weight, then you're just fat. But if you lose too much, then you're on crack. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't, So you might as well just do whatever you want.
Chorus: So, make lots of noise, kiss lots of boys, Or kiss lots of girls, if that's something you're into. When the straightened arrow gets a little too straight, Roll up a joint, or don't. Just follow your arrow wherever it points, yeah. Follow your arrow wherever it points.
If you don't go to church, you'll go to hell. If you're the first one on the front row, you're a self-righteous son-of-a-- Can't win for losing, you'll just disappoint 'em, Just cause you can't beat 'em, don't mean you should join 'em.
Chorus
Say what you think. Love who you love. Cause you just get so many trips round the sun. Yeah, you only, only live once.
So, make lots of noise, kiss lots of boys, Or kiss lots of girls, if that's what you're into. When the straightened arrow gets a little too straight, Roll up a joint, I would. And follow your arrow wherever it points, yeah. Follow your arrow wherever it points."
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Post by redbarron on May 26, 2013 19:32:06 GMT -8
Mainstream Nashville execs have no balls. They cave every time, or they seem to.
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Post by redbarron on May 28, 2013 9:38:34 GMT -8
I've watched this several times and I still think it's awful. She just doesn't have what it takes to be on the stage with the Stones. She has a lovely voice, but needs to stay in country music and be in the solo spotlight. They struck out with this guest.
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Post by Bingo on Jun 3, 2013 15:21:26 GMT -8
They've announced that they've picked Taylor Swift next - so better luck with that one, Sue?
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Post by b@@b on Jun 3, 2013 16:32:41 GMT -8
Now thAt's an interesting matchup. ;D
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Post by Bingo on Jun 4, 2013 3:49:24 GMT -8
They didn't attempt to go anywhere near Rock or Blues music with Taylor
Instead they did a cover of a Marianne Faithfull '60s Folk-Pop hit, which they wrote (but seldom performed)
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Post by slovog on Jun 6, 2013 7:27:14 GMT -8
Whoa Bingo! Way too deep for me. Maybe Carrie needs a drug dependency or some bad ass persona to get people off her back. Like Olivia Newton John in Grease.
There's any number of things wrong with the slick and polished way that most entertainment artists are presented today. You sure don't see any plain Jane sort of women singers or guys with beer bellies belting out the hits. One of the guys I hit a cat with when I swung it in Nashville was getting close to signing away his life to a label and they had him spend a small fortune getting his teeth fixed and working on his hairdo. How in the hell are we supposed to take these folks politics seriously? If you want to sing political songs, have at it. If you're in it to be famous and make lot's of money, I'm still a Shut Up and Sing afficianado. Folks have been watching too many episodes of Nashville, which is just a soap opera.
Loved a quote attributed to Adele. Some media sort asked her about her struggle with her weight. Her reply was that her music was for the ears, not the eyes.
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Post by Bingo on Jun 6, 2013 7:50:37 GMT -8
Folks have been watching too many episodes of Nashville, which is just a soap opera. It's reassuring to hear that the portrayals of political power brokers and record industry types are not drawn from life I was going to say you'll find plenty of those on the Alternative circuit - but then I remembered that the hit factory does seem to have its share of beer guts too Talking of which - while Mick Jagger may be somewhat challenged in the conventional beauty department, he does retain a matchstick figure. He's one of the few singers who can make Carrie look overweight!
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Post by erik on Jun 6, 2013 11:50:23 GMT -8
Quote by Bingo:
Which then brings up another question: Is it not remarkable that Mr. Jagger is still standing upright, let alone strutting around that stage (be it with Carrie or T-Swift, or whoever else), after all the self-abuse of the last fifty years?
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Post by redbarron on Jun 7, 2013 9:44:14 GMT -8
Tried to listen to the Taylor Swift video a number of times, but it just hurt my ears. My brother, on the other hand, didn't think it was that awful. This, from a hard core Stones and blues fan. I just think they need to stay away from the country/pop young girls. Keith Urban was the only country person to pull it off so far.
As far as Mick and his energy level, yes it is remarkable. Of course, the man is known for taking care of himself, it is Keith who has abused his worn old body to the extreme. How the man can get down on his knees and get up without help when he plays is beyond me. How he can play with those swollen arthritic knuckles is beyond me. How he is still alive is beyond me. I love me some Keef!
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Post by b@@b on Jun 7, 2013 16:20:47 GMT -8
I always thought Watts was the member who looked the most...aged? But at least he gets to sit down all the time.
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Post by drizzletown on Jun 9, 2013 7:06:18 GMT -8
I hate to say it, but I like Taylor's version way better. Probably because she fit the folky-ness of that song. Carrie is singing way too high, I guess trying to turn it into a duet would be challenging w/o changing it up more.
The Carrie tune makes me cringe.
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Post by redbarron on Jun 9, 2013 15:38:43 GMT -8
Charlie (turned 72 just last weekend) is the oldest and does get to sit down, but he never gets to rest. Drumming for 2 1/2 hours is a pretty good workout. He doesn't get to go backstage and suck on some oxygen while Keith sings his 2 song. LOL.
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Post by redbarron on Jun 9, 2013 15:39:29 GMT -8
....and, I love Nashville. I think it's a hoot to watch.
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Post by Bingo on Jun 21, 2013 5:18:45 GMT -8
The Stones posted this picture of them meeting Brad and his wife Kim (who plays Peggy in "Nashville") /photo/1Brad retweeted the picture with the caption "There's always that chick that breaks up a band."
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